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Saturday, March 14, 2009

Romans 10:9 Proves That Jesus IS Jehovah

In the jw's Kingdom Interlinear translation of the Greek Scriptures they went to great effort to show that the Tetragrammaton was SUPPOSED to be in the Greek texts. So, every time the Name Jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how Ky'ri*os applies always to JEHOVAH in one or more of their J Documents.

While it is never acceptable to add or delete words from God's Word, it would be more understandable if they were at least consistent with this misuse of the Divine Name. However they don't. There is a double standard at work here.

If the jw's would check out Romans 10:9 in their Kingdom Interlinear Bible they will see how there is a footnote on LORD. The text reads, "For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord*,..." This shows how they use Ky'ri*os in Greek and Ha' a*dhohn in Hebrew to show how the Tetragrammaton should go there. But at the end of the footnote they just add in, "Not Jehovah" WHAT!! They use this formula to insert YHWH into the Greek text where it does not go, but when it shows us that Jesus IS Jehovah they say the formula should not be used?

How is anything they say supposed to mean anything?

Let's see how long it will be before the Watchtower Society yanks those Interlinears off the shelves!

Scans from the NWT Bible and the Kingdom Interlinear.
Ha Adon in the 1961 NWT pg 1453
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Roman 10:9 in the KIThttp://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/romans109.jpg

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lorenzo

I am a Christian Witness to Jehovah, Jesus Christ and God's Kingdom. I am critical of many unique Watchtower teachings. While many of your articles are very informative, this one proves to be less accurate.

Firstly, you said,

"So, every time the Name Jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how Ky'ri*os applies always to JEHOVAH in one or more of their J Documents."

The Watchtower Society explicitly states that their "restoration" o/t Divine name was not on arbitrary grounds, such as, 'when YHWH is found in the J documents, we'll substitute Kyrios with Jehovah,' nor have they ever claimed that Kyrios should always be substituted with Jehovah. According to their own statement, the Old Testament quotations and the dealings of YHWH in the OT would determine whether Lord Jesus or Lord YHWH is referred to.

Secondly, while many OT statements were indeed applied to Jesus Christ, even statements originally containing YHWH, true Hebraic Christianity understood Jesus to be a representative deity, and not ontologically God. To call a heavenly messenger YHWH or even God did not mean that that one was the Almighty Adonai YHWH.

Finally, while many Bible scholars have their reasons for believing that the Tetragram was used in the NT autographs, the WTS have theirs. None of these autographs exist today. Unless you can prove beyond any doubt that the extant copies (of copies) o/t NT were perfectly copied by meticulous scribes, and that even the OT quotations in the NT never could have contained the Tetragram, only then can you make the statement that the WTS were guilty of adding or deleting words from God's Word. If not, they at worst only changed already-changed manuscript copies.

By the looks of it, you'll be a full-fledged Trinitarian Evangelical soon.

Regards

Friedrich Nietzsche “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster”

Mister Lorenzo said...

Anonymous, you are correct. I had meant to make the point about Ha-Hadon being linked with Kyrios and how in hte Hebrew the Watchtower was making it absolutely clear that when Ha Adon is used it means Jehovah exclusively.

In the Kingdom interlinear at Romans 10:9 they draw on the reference to show how Kyrios is meaning Ha Adon or Jehovah, then they add afterward that it is NOT JEHOVAH.

I appreciate you catching that and telling me about it. I am always striving for accuracy and truth!

Yours in Christ--Lorenzo

Ronald said...

I am not with the JWs, but I am not sure what you are talking about when you say that the JWs use "Ha' a*dhohn" in the Hebrew to show how the tetragrammaton goes there. To my understanding of the NW translators' usage of the "J" translations, the NW translators used those translations to show that the translators of those translations used a Hebrew form of "Jehovah" in many verses of the NT, and cited those usuages as support for using the "divine name" in many verses in the New Testament.

It appears that the original poster has mistakingly assumed that the NW translators were citing those "J" translations' usage of "Ha' a*dhohn" as though the usage of "Ha' a*dhohn" was supposed to mean "Jehovah", but, as best as I can determine, that is just the opposite of what they were doing.

"Ha' a*dhohn" means "the Lord", not Yahweh. Thus, the NWT is correct in stating "not Jehovah" in Romans 10:9. Unlike Romans 9:28, for instance, where the footnote the NWT shows that many of the "J" (J7, 8,13,15,18 margin 20) translations have, not "Ha' a*dhohn," but a Hebrew form of "Jehovah", the footnote for Romans 10:9 lists "J" translations (J12,13,14,1-18) that have, not a form of "Jehovah", but "ha A*don", and thus since these translations do not have "Jehovah" in that verse, that is what is stated in the footnote: "not Jehovah". So, in this, the NWT is correct.

At any rate, while it is good to know that those translators often used forms of the tetragrammaton in translating the NT into Hebrew, and such may be used to support the usage of the holy name in the New Testament, those "J" translations should not be used as a "basis" to determine *when* forms of Kurios, Theos, Dunamis, etc., should be rendered with the holy name in the New Testament. Indeed, not all of those "J" translations agree with each other, thus, as such, they *cannot" be used as a basis for determining *when* to use the holy name in the NT; they can only be used as a support in a general way for the usage of the holy name in the New Testament by translators.

There is nothing, however, in the statement of Romans 10:9 that proves that Jesus is Jehovah (Yahweh). In the context and elsewhere Paul points out the way to Yahweh's righteousness as provided through Jesus. (John 3:17; Romans 3:22-24; 5:1,9,10; 2 Corinthians 5:18; Galatians 4:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:9) We must remember that it is Yahweh who made Jesus "Lord" and "Christ" [Christ means "anointed one"] (Psalm 2:2; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Acts 2:36)http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=343

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Nakol Hedyu said...

YHVH, which is "I AM, WAS, WILL ALWAYS BE" was pronounced as "Yahveh or Yahweh"; Now, King David claimed that he has seen the salvation of Yahweh. When Yahwehshua said, "when u see me, u see the father"., He was not lying, for He is called Immanuel, The Everlasting Father, Wonderful, Counselor & Prince of Peace, ISAYAH 9:6. With that being said, let's analyze His name, "Yahwehshua Ha Mashiach". Yahweh means, "I am"; Shua means "Salvation". Putting them 2gether we get, "I AM SALVATION". Thus, when He said, "when u see me, u see the Father", what He claimed that He is The Great I AM - It was the truth. INDEED, YAHWEH IS SHUA.... THAT IS TO SAY, YAHWEHSHUA HA MASHIACH IS YAHWEH IN THE FLESH.

Nakol Hedyu said...

YHVH, which is "I AM, WAS, WILL ALWAYS BE" was pronounced as "Yahveh or Yahweh"; Now, King David claimed that he has seen the salvation of Yahweh. When Yahwehshua said, "when u see me, u see the father"., He was not lying, for He is called Immanuel, The Everlasting Father, Wonderful, Counselor & Prince of Peace, ISAYAH 9:6. With that being said, let's analyze His name, "Yahwehshua Ha Mashiach". Yahweh means, "I am"; Shua means "Salvation". Putting them 2gether we get, "I AM SALVATION". Thus, when He said, "when u see me, u see the Father", what He claimed that He is The Great I AM - It was the truth. INDEED, YAHWEH IS SHUA.... THAT IS TO SAY, YAHWEHSHUA HA MASHIACH IS YAHWEH IN THE FLESH.

Nakol Hedyu said...

Let's analyze The Name YHVH, which is the Tetragramaton. Yahweh or Yahveh means, "I AM, I WAS, I WILL ALWAYS BE". King David said, "I have seen your Salvation", as a matter of fact, everytime u see the word Salvation in the Tanach, which is the earlier testament in the Bible, it means = SALVATION.

Now, let us analyze Jesus Christ name in Hebrew: YAHWEHSHUA HA MASHIACH, which means, Yahweh is Salvation. You see, Yahweh means, "I AM, I WAS, I WILL ALWAYS BE"; SHUA means, "SALVATION"...., THUS, putting them 2gether means, "I AM SALVATION"; SO, when Jesus Christ said, "when u see me, u see the Father", He did not lie about it.

ISAIAH 9:6 "HIS NAME SHALL B CALLED, WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE". INDEED, HE IS EVERLASTING FATHER, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA WHO JESUS CLAIMED TO BE IS THE BOOK OF REVELATION, AS WELL AS THE "ALMIGHTY KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS", notice, ALMIGHTY NOT JUST MIGHTY, ALRIGHT? READ REVELATION & YOU'LL C IT THERE.

THUS, Yahwehshua Ha Mashiach, INDEED IS YAHWEH IN THE FLESH.

Anonymous said...

I believe you are correct.
Insight, Volume 2 p. 267 says, ""The titles ʼA•dhohnʹ and ʼAdho•nimʹ are applied to Jehovah 25 times in the Scriptures. In nine places in the Masoretic text, ʼA•dhohnʹ has the definite article ha before it, so limiting application of the title to Jehovah. (Ex 23:17; 34:23; Isa 1:24; 3:1; 10:16, 33;19:4; Mic 4:13; Mal 3:1) At all six places where ʼA•dhohnʹ without the definite article refers to Jehovah, it describes him as Lord (Owner) of the earth and so is not ambiguous. (Jos 3:11, 13; Ps 97:5; 114:7; Zec 4:14; 6:5) At the ten places whereʼAdho•nimʹ is used of Jehovah, the immediate context makes certain his identity.—De 10:17; Ne 8:10; 10:29; Ps 8:1, 9; 135:5; 136:3; 147:5; Isa 51:22; Ho 12:14"

And at Rom 10:9 the foot note does say haʼa•dhohnʹ and the J documents supporting it. But it does say "Not Jehovah". I find this very interesting since Insight and the Reference Bible p. 1568 (Rbi8 p. 1568 1H “The [true] Lord”—Heb., ha·ʼA·dhohnʹ) state that "ha•ʼA•dhohn" is a title exclusively to Jehovah God.

Peace of Christ be with you.