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Tuesday, February 17, 2009

JW's Discussing Sex In Front Of Children. Is This Right?

Wow, I would have to say no. I feel that anything to do with sex should be left up to the parents to explain. I would imagine that if taken before a sympathetic school counselor that quite a bit of trouble could be made for the elders of any congregation who took it upon themselves to read what could be considered abusive language to a child or where a child could hear it.

I am referring to the Watchtower Article that was studied on February 15, 2009, paragraph 10 in particular. Here is an excerpt:

"We also need to be obedient when dealing with members of the opposite sex. We know that God's Word forbids fornication. However, it is easy to let an obedient spirit lapse into a permissive one. For instance, some youths have engaged in oral or anal sex or mutual masturbation, rationalizing that these acts are not so bad because they think they are technically not "having sex." Such youths forget-or may choose to ignore-that the Bible word for fornication includes all those practices, wrong conduct for which one might be disfellowshipped."

As far as the excerpt, I find fault with some of the material it covers. I feel the wbts has gone beyond what is written when discussing mutual masturbation . Nowhere in the Bible is masturbation condemned, mutual or otherwise. In fact applying it to fit the porneia definition is just plain silly. Porneia / fornication have a varying range of applications, but I could find no concordance outside of the wbts that mentions masturbation as linked with porneia. The society is dictating its own rules and laws here and has clearly gone beyond what is in the Bible with that application at least.

If I was still attending their meetings and had a young child I would consider running this by child services to see if they broke any decency laws by presenting this information in front of the kids.

References:

American Heritage Dictionary defines Fornication as Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.

Strong's G4202 - porneia:

1) Illicit sexual intercourse
a) Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b) Sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c) Sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11, 12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) Of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

The New Testament Greek Lexicon Definition:

• Illicit sexual intercourse
• Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
• Sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
• Sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
• Metaph. the worship of idols
• Of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

72 comments:

Anonymous said...

In light of the increased oral/anal sex in schools and (especially) the pedophilia in congregations, I have to support the open discussion of sex. The kids need to hear it.

Anonymous said...

Who said kids shouldn't hear about it? The author said kids should hear about it FROM THEIR PARENTS. He said this in the second sentence.

Any religion that instructs six year old children on the concepts of "oral sex", "anal sex", and "mutual masturbation" is ABSURD.

Given the well-publicized pedophilia problem in the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, it is particularly disgusting that they study topics such as this with children.

Anonymous said...

Concerned: I support the "open discussion" of sex, meaning that anyone/everyone is free to talk about it in an appropriate manner. I wrote that in my first sentence.

All too often, parents can't/don't/won't do an adequate job of discussing sex with their children. Someone's got to step up to the plate. And again: considering that JWs harbor pedophiles, it's probably a good idea that they are getting those concepts out there.

Mr. Lorenzo: Good call on the mutual masturbation. I agree.

- CN

a nobody called gÜñ§h¥ said...

I believe what the WTS meant by "mutual" is two people masturbating each other which should be obviously wrong. Mutual consent refers to both people consenting.

I understand the poter's viewpoint though. Why doesn't the WTS warn people about smoking crack, marijuana and all the various ways people do drugs? Talk of sex is the power of suggestion at the very least. There was not one normal person comfortable with the WT study that Sunday, I'm sure.

What was really difficult was being the WT reader when that crap would come up.

What I do take issue with is the abbreviations for Titus and Timothy in the NWT. Tit and Ti respectively. Why not Ti and Tim respectiviely?

Every other bible I have abbreviates it "Titus". If the Gideons have the sense not to put the word "tit", why not the WTS?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: you said: "in an appropriate manner". We are agreed on that point. However, a group discussion of oral and anal sex with six year olds is not "appropriate". If you believe it is then we must agree to disagree.

I repeat, any religion that instructs six year old children on the concepts of "oral sex", "anal sex", and "mutual masturbation" is ABSURD.

robert said...

IVE been a JW since 10 im 40 never heard a group discussion about sex to childen that bull they have books on how to talk about sex to children. Sex is for procreation between marries couples. oral,anal and any other form of sex is consider loose conduct& consider fornication do the research read any bible look up the meaning.their parents that live loosely life style so what can they explain about sex to their kids

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IVE been a JW since 10 im 40 never heard a group discussion about sex to childen that bull they have books on how to talk about sex to children. Sex is for procreation between marries couples. oral,anal and any other form of sex is consider loose conduct& consider fornication do the research read any bible look up the meaning.their parents that live loosely life style so what can they explain about sex to their kids

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